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Mosin Nagant chambering issues

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#1 · (Edited)
Hello All,

I bought my 1st Mosin Nagant about a week ago at the local gun show. My ammo arrived yesterday so I wanted to check to make sure the firearm functions properly. Unfortunatly I was unable to fire the rifle due to some rounds chambering and others not. In other words the bolt closes fine on some rounds and will not close for others. I ordered a 440 round tin of Russian Surplus ammo made in 1977. Headstamp 188. I assume this is an ammo issue and not the head space but wanted a second opinion before firing.


My second problem. All rounds chamber except the last one. When I get to the fifth round in the magazine the bullet nose dives when I push the bolt forward. Anyone know why?

I do not have the rifle with me but it is a Russian production and if mind serves me correctly it was manufactured in 1944. I think, not sure, the rifle is the 91/30. Its the long one if that helps.

Please help. I want to shoot this weekend instead of waiting for an exchange.

Thanks so much!
 
#3 ·
So the rounds do chamber and you can close the bolt, but the last round in the mag well did not feed correctly? If this is the case, there is a lever on the bottom of the mag well(floor plate). Open the floorplate and clean the well and spring.
 
#6 ·
So the rounds do chamber and you can close the bolt, but the last round in the mag well did not feed correctly? If this is the case, there is a lever on the bottom of the mag well(floor plate). Open the floorplate and clean the well and spring.
I can close the bolt most of the time. I think some of this ammo is the problem for the bolt only closing sometimes.

Feeding issue. Yes, the firearm feeds the first 4 rounds fine but the fifth round nose dives. I cleaned the magazine assembly when I received the firearm but will clean again. It looks very clean right now though.
 
#11 ·
Is the spring in correctly?? Follower??
You should also check the ejector as it doubles as an interrupter in the mag well.
Yes, I believe the spring is in correctly. I can post pics when I get home.


The interrupter feels strong and moves freely so I have elimanted that as the problem but will clean it again incase I am wrong.
 
#12 ·
Ref: chambering/ not chambering- did you strip down the bolt and clean it? Is the extractor free to move? Assuming that ammo is ammo, and there are no gross dimensional differences between cartridges, the extractor must move to ride over the rim. Also be sure to clean the chamber GOOD. I pull the bolt, use a section of cleaning rod, a worn 20 gauge brush, drill, and solvent- check rod into drill, attach brush, dip in solvent, insert in chamber, spin while moving in and out for about 30 seconds, followed by clean patch.
 
#15 ·
Ref: chambering/ not chambering- did you strip down the bolt and clean it? Is the extractor free to move? Assuming that ammo is ammo, and there are no gross dimensional differences between cartridges, the extractor must move to ride over the rim. Also be sure to clean the chamber GOOD. I pull the bolt, use a section of cleaning rod, a worn 20 gauge brush, drill, and solvent- check rod into drill, attach brush, dip in solvent, insert in chamber, spin while moving in and out for about 30 seconds, followed by clean patch.
I stripped the bolt down but did not focus on the extractor. Will do this tonight. I have not cleaned with a drill. Will do this as well. Thanks for input.
 
#19 ·
I have not done this, but many people advocate carefully warming the firearm to get out excess cosmoline. I'd be really careful with that idea.
On a similar idea, I soak metal parts in mineral spirits. Even when you think it is clean the mineral spirits always look like Bourbon, but allas, you can't drink it. :( Soviet cosmoline is more like bees wax then a grease. As far as a lube, I use CLP, FP10... Why? because it is friggin' cold here in the winter, grease gets hard. Likewise in the summer it flies everywhere. Since I use corrosive ammo and will strip it anyway, it makes no sense to use grease. No advantage.
 
#20 · (Edited)
sounds like your mag spring is weak.i had the same thing happing with one of the mosins i had purchased recently,i also had a FR8 .308 rifle do the same thing on the last round...after cleaning everything in the rifle and it still does the last round nose dive thingie...wait & replace with new or better box mag parts,you could also check for any burs on the top of the follower...good luck
 
#21 ·
CONCLUSION:


The rifle is fine. I inserted the mag assembly from another mosin and the rifle loaded and chambered fine. The seller of this firearm is mailing me the internals of the magazine. Follower, springs, etc. This should fix the problem.

As far as my bolt issues. Some rounds would allow the bolt to close completly other rounds would not. This turned out to be an ammuntion problem. The russian surplus made in 1977. Headstamp 188 maybe has inconsistent rims??? I chambered several rounds of some surplus ammo made is the 50's with no problems, I am not sure where it was made.